On today's show Josh and Lyndsay chat about their summer circus Stars Above, recap the CINAR's conference in Montreal, and talk about the state of the performing arts market in New York City. Later in the episode they call up Danise Payne who was the first female African American clown in Ringling Brothers & Barnum and Bailey Circus and the author of the memoir Elbows in My Ears. They talk about Danise's path through the circus, how she developed her clown characters, and challenges she had to overcome to pursue her dreams. If you enjoy the episode please rate the show on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and share it with a friend!